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Gary
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 Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject: Health Care Promise |
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The House passed the health care bill tonight, now it goes to conference with the Senate for a final bill.
The vote needed 218 to pass, it got 220 votes.
We are a divided nation. Half care.
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A personal note.
This close vote demonstrates the divided nation we are.
To those in other countries, please note that half of us are not the coarse and harsh people that ignore the lesser of us and start wars. We are working to stop the conservatives among us. We are working. |
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Marlies Bugmann
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: |
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... we know!
It's kinda deja vue ... my publisher (past US publisher) once issued a similar apology to their overseas authors - alas 'we the people' everywhere are being smothered in burocracy - simply too many chiefs and not enough Indians that see what's going on. Fire and brimstone and the devil once did it, tho no longer and a new Hades had to be invented - there's a few names for it - none of them nice - and for the moment I'll stay away from 'non-nice' words. |
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Holly Pender
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:39 am Post subject: Re: Health Care Promise |
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If everyone took personal responsibility for their choices we wouldn't need a 'healthcare' bill. It doesn't matter if you have healthcare insurance or not, if you are making poor choices with your health ~ you are burdening the 'system'. After working in the medical field for 12 years and seeing the waste of money and also the patients who decided to make poor choices to get them into the hospital, and still not want to change their life style ~ well, we are just throwing money to the wind.
Education is very necessary... very, very necessary in order to change the 'system' into a properly working 'system'. If people are not educated.... and I mean in the strictest sense of the word, then poor choices will rule the system and keep it in chaos.
People on the other side of the vote do care but they also see the larger picture. Every one should have health care.... and it starts with Self care.
A socialized system will not work when the masses are out of control with their life style choices. You'll have long waiting lists for all indivdiuals ~ even the ones who take care of themselves and have insurance. There are many scenerios I could give to you of individuals who don't take care of themselves and also don't have insurance ~ and they don't care or they don't have it at the top of their priority list.
Tax the heck out of companies that produce products that create poor health, or no nutritional value. Tax them so high that people cannot afford it or if they do buy it, then the companies can pay for the system.
I've seen people who are on food stamps buy their foods using the stamps but then pay cash for their cigerettes and alcohol almost everyday. ... the same group of people. We give money to feed people and they use their hard earn cash to smoke and drink each day. I've seen it as a cashier at a local health food co-op of all places.
The systems are very messed up....
So don't apologize for the other half or think we don't care... actually get to know the reasoning by speaking to the 'others' instead of watching propaganda about the 'others'.
I'm an RN and would love for all to be healthy but I cannot support a system that is broken and no one wants to actually take care of the root problem. It's the people causing the problem, they are the root ~ not government or politics. Healthcare issues would not be an issue today if everyone was awakened to what they are bringing to the table individually. |
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Marlies Bugmann
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| maybe Darwin was right, after all ... |
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Holly Pender
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Marlies Bugmann wrote: | | maybe Darwin was right, after all ... |
I don't know if that is true....
I do know that chemistries are very addicting to the body... The food choices, beverages, cigerettes, even the television shows people watch ~ all affect the chemistries in the body... and the body wants more of it. That is one reason why it is hard to quit something.
If we contnually have companies putting out 'crap' for profit and not for the human body well-being (with expert 'trance' marketing' I should say), then we are always going to have issues with health.
So companies can make mega bucks off of people that are addicted to crap and all the people have to pay for a 'system' that is addicted to crap. (This is just one area that needs addressing). |
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Kenneth Campbell
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Holly Pender"] | Marlies Bugmann wrote: |
So companies can make mega bucks off of people that are addicted to crap and all the people have to pay for a 'system' that is addicted to crap. (This is just one area that needs addressing). |
I think you're getting a little closer to the truth with this post.
I do think that any kind of universal health care would need to be tempered with universal health education, but I've seen enough of how 'the other half' lives and is raised not to blame them entirely for their problems. As usual, we have all sorts of segments of business and society pointing fingers all over the place instead of giving long hard thought to real root problems and thinking of good solutions.
The health and insurance industries have convinced themselves that it's the patients' fault and the patients have convinced themselves that there's a vast conspiracy of uncaring health care people and insurance people out to get their money. Each segment hears what they want to hear and gets fed more crap from those who want to stir them up against each other for various reasons.
I suppose it's the mediator in me that wants to tell all the factions to shut up and listen for a change. |
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Holly Pender
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It does start with individual responsibility. Even the educated people of society choose to engage in self care that places them in a healthcare issue ~ even with knowing what the outcomes will be. Seen it many times after giving so-called appropriate educational materials to 'them' and 'them' stating they already know 'it'.
Massive education needs to happen in order to change the system (like I stated above) and even if that means to be bold and blunt with the information.
Education on the 'trance marketing' used to sell the products to consumers needs to be included.
People who receive food stamps should also have to take nutritional courses and budgeting course to get the most out of the money given ~ along with education again on poor choices and outcomes.
The root needs to be addressed because that is where the problem begins. If no one buys a 'crap' product, it is just a 'crap' product with no bad outcomes.
How many people today can be cured of heart disease and diabetes just by life style changes?
How many people can actually be cured of 'cancer' just by making life style changes?
Chemistries affect the hormonal health of the body. Life style changes need to be addressed. No one would need to worry about coverage if personal care was given priority.
Depression: just by changing what you are allowing to be placed before you as reality can cure depression. Your brain delivers the chemistries... you can create health in you by creating healthy chemistries in you. Your brain is a pharmceutical company all on its own. (This is regarding the depression that can be cured by lifestyle changes).
If people watch murder everday on the news and on their television choices... they are created a depressing realtiy.... and people are addicted to those shows, the adrenal-chemistry changes.
Hollywood protests the war but they create violence in almost every movie. So we have people protesting the war but engaging in violent entertainment?
The system is broken and thowing more money at it is like placing a band-aid on it and missing the wound. |
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Holly Pender
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I'm sorry but I am gracefully going to bow out of this discussion. I left politics and the medical industry a few years ago because it was causing chemistry changes in my own body by being in the 'discussion'. I can feel it in my veins ... ugh....
I would rather talk to angels all day (I really mean that too! I write about them.); and to teach people how to create healthy changes by focusing on health than to debate. I've debated too much in my life that even talking about the 'issues' of society gets to me. Not that this was a 'debate' either...
Many blessings to you all on your healthy journey. |
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ericbt
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Health Care Promise |
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| Holly Pender wrote: | | Tax the heck out of companies that produce products that create poor health, or no nutritional value. Tax them so high that people cannot afford it or if they do buy it, then the companies can pay for the system. |
What? Like the tobacco industry? Even though they have one of the largest and most well funded lobbying groups, it is one of the most taxed products in the US. It is blamed, (rightly or wrongly, depending on who you choose to listen to), for a huge percentage of the US health care costs. It is vilified in all forms of media. It is preached against in every level of the public and private school systems. Any celebrity caught with a cigarette in their mouth is denounced as a "fallen role model". Every pack of cigarettes sold in the USA carries a warning against it's use. It is impossible in the USA today to claim ignorance of the health risks associated with smoking. Even with all of this, the tobacco industry thrives and on a daily basis I see hundreds of people smoking, old, young, and in between.
The fact is that the tobacco companies, (as with all corporations), don't pay the taxes, the consumer does, and the tobacco industry has been pretty successful in conveying that truth, so their buying public do not blame them for the price increases. The taxes this industry raises are used to create programs, often touted as "doing good", but that make the populous dependents of the government, federal and state, even those who do not smoke or chew. These programs are thus dependent on the continued revenue while at the same time discouraging the people contributing to that revenue. As with nearly all government run programs, bureaucracy, inefficiencies, waste, and fraud are standard operating procedure requiring more and more to do less and less. It's not a question of whether the people want to help or not, it's the reality that the US and state governments have repeatedly proven to be the worst organizations to be used as instruments for accomplishing the stated goals of the programs they administer.
The solution in not more government regulation, programs, or taxes. The solution cannot be had at the hands of politicians whose primary goal is to get re-elected. The solutions lie in removing the government oversite of people's lives. There should be no program with the potential to make one dependent on the government for any basic need.
Unrealistic? Impossible? Perhaps, but this was the government outlined in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States of America. Not the semi-socialist behemoth it has become. |
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Gary
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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It all gets down to We the People.
In this country we can change anything we want, from our diets to business practices to government.
But our fears keep us from implementing change. |
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